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    People said Trump was pro 2A. And now this:
    President Donald Trump, a Republican with a close relationship to the National Rifle Association pro-gun lobby, said in an interview aired on June 5 that he does not like silencers and would be open to considering banning the devices. His administration this year imposed a ban on "bump stock" attachments that enable semi-automatic weapons to be fired rapidly, with the Supreme Court in March permitting the policy to take effect.


    I took that from this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/su...cid=spartanntp

    My point is that they all will say what they think is popular at the time, but they are all talking snakes.
    Last edited by Bat Rastard; 06-10-2019, 22:11.
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    2020 will be my 7th decade of voting for a President

    I determined early on that voting was not about who would help me the most but rather who would hurt me the least

    I see nothing in 2020 that will change that
    Last edited by ricco; 06-10-2019, 23:19.
    "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

    "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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    • #3
      Trump is from NYC. His experience has been that silencers are are silent and used by killers.
      But he can be educated.
      When Charlton Heston first became NRA President he was interviewed on many TV "news" programs. He said he didn't like "Black Guns" but he was soon educted.

      Don't give up on Trump. There isn't a single Democrat whho likes any gun unless it shoots rice.



      The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
      If your religion says suicide and murder are wrong; Aren't you doing both if you are not prepared to defend your life and the lives of others?
      I am not a lawyer, but I have personal opinions.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ricco View Post
        2020 will be my 7th decade of voting for a President
        I didn't realize you had the advantage of age with your modern philosophy on self defense...if 2020 is your 7th decade then 1950-1960 would have been your first voting decade which you would have needed to be 21(18 was ratified in 1971) in there somewhere so puts your birth decade at 1930-40...unless I did my math wrong, which is probable. Do you remember everyone you voted for? I can't and I am only have half that advanced...

        Its Dave, open up....Dave's not here!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dmog View Post

          I didn't realize you had the advantage of age with your modern philosophy on self defense...if 2020 is your 7th decade then 1950-1960 would have been your first voting decade which you would have needed to be 21(18 was ratified in 1971) in there somewhere so puts your birth decade at 1930-40...unless I did my math wrong, which is probable. Do you remember everyone you voted for? I can't and I am only have half that advanced...
          70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's. 2010's and 2020 will start the 6th decade

          7th was a typo it should have been 6th, sorry about that

          Jimmy Carter was first and the one and only D, after that all R's

          Just a little something since this is gun related forum

          Not long after the election Carter's White House Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan said in an interview, "Carter will really go on gun control and be really tough. We're going to get those bastards."

          Some things you don't forget

          Lesson learned


          Since we are on the subject, before anyone get's to upset with Trump and decides to vote for a candidate that can't win just to show 'em what's what and we get whatever socialist the D's pick just remember back to when they did that in 1992 (Perot) and that got us Clinton and the '94 assault weapon ban, yeah they sure showed them didn't they
          Last edited by ricco; 06-12-2019, 02:15.
          "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

          "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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          • #6
            My first vote was for Perot and I showed them!
            Its Dave, open up....Dave's not here!

            gladium habens libertatem habet

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dmog View Post
              My first vote was for Perot and I showed them!
              So did my cousin and then she spent the next 8 years regretting it and made me regret it because I got tired of hearing it

              No one is perfect, every candidate will be flawed in some way

              We knew Trump wasn't a pro gun conservative regardless of what he said but he was better than the alternative and he will be better than the alternative in 2020. We knew Trump got his information about firearms from his son who hunts, nothing against hunters they are an important part of the eco system but generally for hunters a firearm is a means to an end (yes there are exceptions) whereas for gun guys the firearm itself is most important

              In 2020 there will be Libertarians and others who will be running and maybe will have a better stance on guns but they won't be elected because for the majority of people firearm rights are at the bottom of their list of concerns, so same as always it will be a D or an R that will be elected

              And the choice will be the same as always, which candidate will hurt you the least

              "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

              "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ricco View Post
                nothing against hunters they are an important part of the eco system but generally for hunters a firearm is a means to an end (yes there are exceptions) whereas for gun guys the firearm itself is most important
                I think you would be surprised about hunters and their equipment. I am a hunter and gun guy as well as a dog guy. Hunters get to have excuses for many different firearms and their accessories and get to do real life assessments of the effectiveness of their systems. Hunters may have a tendency to not accurately access self defense needs due to the game doesn't shoot back or rarely attack them but saying a firearm is a means to an end for hunters, then I would have to listen to my wife and sell 3/4 of my shotguns and rifles that have "specialized" uses. Thank God for versatile dogs that cover my needs or I would have a kennel of "specialized" dogs...HOA would have a fit as well as my wife! They already think I'm harming the wildlife when I am out training the dogs by releasing the pigeons or chukars in my yard. Not to mention the duck I bought for some water training and they see my dogs swimming after it after making it flightless. The police came by from a complaint that I was harassing the local ducks with my dogs. Officer was cool and was impressed with how well my dogs listened which by the way, my dogs are 5x more obedient than any of the neighbors. Showed him the duck receipt and told him if the dogs dont catch it, which I am sure they wont, then the feathers grow back and now it is a local duck that can fly. Sorry for the rant if I got of topic...btw the dogs did catch that duck, twice and retrieved it to hand unharmed, twice. We went out again the next day and the dogs couldn't catch it as it learned quickly to dive. Called the dogs of it when I became concerned the older dog was going to drown before giving up. I guess my point being that firearms are tools for various uses and most efficient firearms user develop what works best for them and tend to respect other firearm users desire for their "specialized" needs.

                PS- Dont get me started on fishing...
                Last edited by Dmog; 06-12-2019, 17:07.
                Its Dave, open up....Dave's not here!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dmog View Post

                  I think you would be surprised about hunters and their equipment. I am a hunter and gun guy as well as a dog guy. Hunters get to have excuses for many different firearms and their accessories and get to do real life assessments of the effectiveness of their systems. Hunters may have a tendency to not accurately access self defense needs due to the game doesn't shoot back or rarely attack them but saying a firearm is a means to an end for hunters, then I would have to listen to my wife and sell 3/4 of my shotguns and rifles that have "specialized" uses. Thank God for versatile dogs that cover my needs or I would have a kennel of "specialized" dogs...HOA would have a fit as well as my wife! They already think I'm harming the wildlife when I am out training the dogs by releasing the pigeons or chukars in my yard. Not to mention the duck I bought for some water training and they see my dogs swimming after it after making it flightless. The police came by from a complaint that I was harassing the local ducks with my dogs. Officer was cool and was impressed with how well my dogs listened which by the way, my dogs are 5x more obedient than any of the neighbors. Showed him the duck receipt and told him if the dogs dont catch it, which I am sure they wont, then the feathers grow back and now it is a local duck that can fly. Sorry for the rant if I got of topic...btw the dogs did catch that duck, twice and retrieved it to hand unharmed, twice. We went out again the next day and the dogs couldn't catch it as it learned quickly to dive. Called the dogs of it when I became concerned the older dog was going to drown before giving up. I guess my point being that firearms are tools for various uses and most efficient firearms user develop what works best for them and tend to respect other firearm users desire for their "specialized" needs.

                  PS- Dont get me started on fishing...
                  As I said, there are exceptions
                  "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

                  "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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                  • #10
                    My personal experience in sharing hunting interests with many hunters of similar interest is that the hunter views his firearm as very important and the exception is the one that views it only to a means to an end. Just look in any hunters gun safe...
                    Its Dave, open up....Dave's not here!

                    gladium habens libertatem habet

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                    • #11
                      Off the political topic, but kinda following the trend, the first thing my new bride learned in the gun area is that just because you have a shotgun suitable for shooting doves'n'quail'n'rabbits, you still need a different one for ducks'n'pheasants; and having a rifle suitable for deers doesn't make it suitable for coyotes. Same goes for pistols; one that's suitable for hunting might not be the proper choice for discreet carry. My experience is that some wives learn to understand (or just put up with us), and some don't.
                      My Mom and Dad had an understanding; if Dad spent money on a new gun or dog ('No, dear, I can't hunt quail with the same dog I hunt coons with'), she spent the same amount on whatever she wanted. I can remember a new couch and a couple of nice new chairs that turned up after Dad brought home a new coon hound and a new shotgun. Ace2
                      Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dmog View Post
                        I guess my point being that firearms are tools for various uses and most efficient firearms user develop what works best for them and tend to respect other firearm users desire for their "specialized" needs.
                        Well said....
                        Originally posted by mjkeat;
                        The gun you have is better than the gun you don't.

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                        • #13


                          Do you believe that Trump has gotten the best information possible from his sons on this issue
                          Last edited by ricco; 06-13-2019, 01:02.
                          "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

                          "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dmog View Post
                            My personal experience in sharing hunting interests with many hunters of similar interest is that the hunter views his firearm as very important and the exception is the one that views it only to a means to an end. Just look in any hunters gun safe...
                            You know different hunters than I do

                            Pretty much every hunter I know thinks that shooting just for fun is a waste of time and ammo

                            Maybe it's an age thing, all the hunters I know are old

                            Maybe it's because that the AR platform is available in calibers that are useful for hunting there is a shift, hope so
                            "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

                            "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ricco View Post

                              Do you believe that Trump has gotten the best information possible from his sons on this issue
                              I do not know or have an opinion on this. I would have to understand what type of hunters his sons are as with anything else, there is a wide range of beliefs, ethics, and likes/dislikes in the hunting field. As you point out, the hunters you know do not sound competitive in nature and if they are concerned with wasting ammo, then they sound like they are not "privileged" hunters. I am sure the Trumps are sport hunters and would have a different view of firearm rights than a hunter that rely's on putting meat on the table. I am of the opinion that hunters are an important ally to 2A rights. They may not fight as hard for keeping rights to silencers, high capacity mags, ie since they are used to regulations imposed on them for "legal" equipment already, but the fundamentals of the right to bear arms will not change. The challenge is to get that group to realize that it is just a start of the loss of those rights as restrictions are placed on firearms. The pendulum starts to swing and the best way to stop it is before it picks up momentum. Hell, I would love to use 10 round mags or be able to hunt with the plug out of my guns for convenience sake, but I am a sportsmen and follow the regulations. It was silly that the smallest caliber you could hunt a deer with was a .243 a few years ago when the AR platform was becoming popular and the .223 round was effective at humanely harvesting deer. That regulation change was popular and allowed sportsman to use their AR's with 5 round mags legally. I also find it silly that the Dove daily limit is I think 30 birds but you have to plug your shotgun for only 3 rounds...just because the Dove is a migratory bird and thus falls under Federal protection regulations just as I find it silly to put any kind of regulations on silencers or magazine capacity There is way more similarities with hunters and self defense advocates than differences and I found it easy to incorporate conceal carry interests with my hunting interests.
                              Its Dave, open up....Dave's not here!

                              gladium habens libertatem habet

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