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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3R...hE3xWN9jowsCDs

    Quinn is a pretty entertaining


    And some more
    Bird Shot in your Home Defense Shotgun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1...UGM0unl9V8yVLs
    Last edited by ricco; 01-07-2019, 03:27.
    "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

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  • #2
    Same old lame arguments folks have been making for years. Birdshot is for hunting birds; big buck and slugs for defense.

    IF one is na´ve, or honestly ignorant enough, to actually CHOOSE to use birdshot, at least pick something other than a target load--maybe a heavy turkey load or that load that is popular with coyote hunters (Heavi Shot, or something like that?).

    Those meat-shooting videos are entertaining, though---and a waste of good pork. At least he's gonna feed it to his dogs. Ace2
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    • #3
      I like to pattern all my shot gun loads at different differences to get a visual of the spread.
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      • #4
        Back when I kept a shotgun for HD (have since moved to AR) I loaded #1 buck based on available testing and some simple math. The #1 .30 pellets were observed to consistently get the desired penetration depth of 12", pattern well and a 16 pellet load has 7 more chances to hit something vital than a 9 pellet OO load. Also if you're into the "crush" thing:

        16 x.30 = 4.8
        9 x .33 = 2.97

        Also the Federal #1 Buck load with Flight Control wad really patterns well in my gun.
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        • #5
          It seems that some folks have strange ideas of what constitutes deadly force. .Some time back, one poster here argued that birdshot bouncing off concrete was not a deadly threat.
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          • #6
            Pretty much anything can produce a fatality, you can choke to death on a marshmallow
            "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

            "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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            • #7
              When I was in jail---well, when I worked in the jail---we booked in an old farmer who had fired a 'warning shot' to scare off some kids who were stealing his gas; he had fired a shot from his shotgun into the ground, and some pellets ricocheted and hit one of the kids in the ankle, causing a boo boo. Fortunately, this time, it was bird shot and not big buck or a slug; then again, he wasn't trying to shoot the kid(s), just scare them. Bad move on his part. Don't remember if the kids got charged with anything for trying to steal his property.

              There's another TOM story about kids trespassing and getting scared off by a shotgun blast, but I'll save it for later. Ace2
              Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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              • #8
                I know this is old, and targeted (lol) to LE, but I found it enlightening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYTz...6fSMTORrFbvdR0
                http://youtu.be/ei8OK4WdoW0
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4CuH...e=channel_page
                http://www.stoppingpower.net/comment...tervention.asp
                http://youtu.be/wXwPtP-KDNk
                https://youtu.be/Iy71umadb6k

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ricco View Post
                  Pretty much anything can produce a fatality, you can choke to death on a marshmallow
                  Quite so. But this does not mean--and I know that you agree with me--that you should fire weapons unless you face an imminent deadly threat.
                  Taceant colloquia. Effugiat risus. Hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae.
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                  • #10
                    It can be difficult to determine results of most things beforehand

                    One person might fall off a building and live and another might trip on throw rug and die

                    Birdshot bouncing off concrete may or may not be fatal

                    Most of us have seen the demo of bouncing buckshot under a car. If the person on the other side of the car is standing and is hit in the legs he will PROBABLY live but if that person is kneeling and is hit in the head he will PROBABLY die

                    Birdshot or buckhot, which is the most likely to work

                    Given that "absolutes" are so hard to come by "most likely" is what we have to work with
                    Last edited by ricco; 01-08-2019, 20:45.
                    "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ricco View Post
                      It can be difficult to determine results of most things beforehand

                      One person might fall off a building and live and another might trip on throw rug and die

                      Birdshot bouncing off concrete may or may not be fatal

                      Most of us have seen the demo of bouncing buckshot under a car. If the person on the other side of the car is standing and is hit in the legs he will PROBABLY live but if that person is kneeling and is hit in the head he will PROBABLY die

                      Birdshot or buckhot, which is the most likely to work

                      Given that "absolutes" are so hard to come by "most likely" is what we have to work with
                      Agreed. Anytime we shoot in a 'social situation' we had better be in imminent deadly danger, even if we use bird-shot, because it can be deadly, especially at close range.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gerhard1 View Post

                        Agreed. Anytime we shoot in a 'social situation' we had better be in imminent deadly danger, even if we use bird-shot, because it can be deadly, especially at close range.
                        It seems like I saw a TV show, probably fiction, maybe an episode of Monk, I don't remember, where somebody was killed when shot at close range with a revolver blank cartridge. IIRC, the pasteboard disc in the top of the cartridge, (configured like an old shotgun shell) penetrated the body and killed the person. Just goes to show how really fragile the human body is. Of course, you can kill with anything in fiction.
                        http://youtu.be/ei8OK4WdoW0
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4CuH...e=channel_page
                        http://www.stoppingpower.net/comment...tervention.asp
                        http://youtu.be/wXwPtP-KDNk
                        https://youtu.be/Iy71umadb6k

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Goodtime Charlie View Post
                          I know this is old, and targeted (lol) to LE, but I found it enlightening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYTz...6fSMTORrFbvdR0
                          I remember that video. Seems it helped dissuade some of my co-rookies from taking the shotgun seriously as a tool-in-the-belt for police work; apparently afraid of the liability issues. Some of the desk wonks had the same attitude.
                          For grins and giggles, pull up the Buck Savage series of training videos, from the same era. They used humor to get points across--which was difficult for those humorless types to grasp. Ace2
                          Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ace View Post

                            I remember that video. Seems it helped dissuade some of my co-rookies from taking the shotgun seriously as a tool-in-the-belt for police work; apparently afraid of the liability issues. Some of the desk wonks had the same attitude.
                            For grins and giggles, pull up the Buck Savage series of training videos, from the same era. They used humor to get points across--which was difficult for those humorless types to grasp. Ace2
                            On your recommendation, I pulled up a couple of those Buck Savage videos and watched them. They STINK! Jeez, there should be a law against inflicting that kind of mental abuse on someone. I'm no lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a law against them. At the very least, the LE unions should prohibit their showing. Yech, blech! Phooey!
                            http://youtu.be/ei8OK4WdoW0
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4CuH...e=channel_page
                            http://www.stoppingpower.net/comment...tervention.asp
                            http://youtu.be/wXwPtP-KDNk
                            https://youtu.be/Iy71umadb6k

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Goodtime Charlie View Post

                              On your recommendation, I pulled up a couple of those Buck Savage videos and watched them. They STINK! Jeez, there should be a law against inflicting that kind of mental abuse on someone. I'm no lawyer, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a law against them. At the very least, the LE unions should prohibit their showing. Yech, blech! Phooey!
                              Of course; that was the point, to be so bad as to make you think about the ridiculousness, and be able to laugh while getting the point---one of my favorites was the one where he assisted the robber girl with car problems, then lectured on being observant. Nobody was supposed to actually take his actions as serious training/instruction. The serious part would come after the video, when the trainer would guide us into discussions about the point the stinky comedy was trying to make.
                              Just like the shotgun video wasn't a complete tutorial on the use of the shotgun, it opened the subject to discussion and, for some, got the point across as to the dangers--and benefits--of the scattergun (can I use that term?) in social work. Some of the information in that one is out-dated, with improvements in the ammo and the advent of interchangeable chokes and better sights, and etc. But it's still a good place to start.
                              The Buck Savage videos are better than Saturday Night Live--and they have a point. Ace2

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