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  • "MAG DUMP! Lawful, or Excessive Force?"

    From Branca

    From the text

    "A few days ago a video of a cell phone store robbery started going viral, in which the store clerk does a mag dump into the armed robber, and requests began to come into Law of Self Defense asking for my comment and analysis. So, buckle up, here we go."

    "The robber almost immediately falls to the floor when engaged by the clerk, and so many of the rounds the clerk fires are at the fallen robber on the ground. The question then arises whether these later shots are legally justified, even if the first few shots were lawful self-defense. Were the first couple of shots fine, but the later shots excessive force not justified by law?"


    There is video of the incident

    https://lawofselfdefense.com/mag-dum...cessive-force/
    "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

    "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

  • #2
    Decided to break down and check this out, couldn't get to the video or article. With the tiny bit of information available, one question comes up: What was the downed bad guy doing while he was on the floor? Ace2
    Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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    • #3
      J frame might of kept him out of trouble, eh?
      Originally posted by kscardsfan
      Grain of salt hell, I'm taking it with a salt block from the feed store. Thats a big bunch of crap there.




      QUOTE=mjkeat;n1101496]****ing stupid.[/QUOTE]

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      • #4
        Or caused him problems if it was emptied and more rounds were needed--unless he could do a quick reload, which of course will never be needed, according to our very own 'expert'. Ace2
        Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ace View Post
          Or caused him problems if it was emptied and more rounds were needed--unless he could do a quick reload, which of course will never be needed, according to our very own 'expert'. Ace2
          You've found a CCW incident where a reload has changed the outcome? Please share.
          Failure is an opportunity to learn.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mjkeat View Post

            You've found a CCW incident where a reload has changed the outcome? Please share.
            Oklahoma City Pharmacist does a New York reload, then executes the already downed and unarmed bad guy. The reload resulted in a murder and prison sentence for the pharmacist.
            01/06 FFL $15 transfers and guns near wholesale


            Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties. And not to Democrats alone do I make this appeal, but to all who love these great and true principles~ Abe Lincoln

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ace View Post
              What was the downed bad guy doing while he was on the floor? Ace2
              Nothing, he slightly moved one leg........but his pistol was under him

              After the shot(s) that put the BG on the floor the clerk stood up and emptied his pistol into the BG while he was on the floor

              The clerk did not reload, he got what I think was a phone and went out the door carrying his empty pistol


              An aside, I have mentioned several times that Branca only leaves his posts up for 72 hours, after that only members can see them

              "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

              "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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              • #8
                Is there audio on the video? If so, what if anything did the clerk say to the downed bad guy?

                I've got too much of a real life to sit around for hours and watch YouTube; lotsa money to be won on computer solitaire---if they'll ever tell me where to cash it in. Ace2
                Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ace View Post
                  Is there audio on the video? If so, what if anything did the clerk say to the downed bad guy?

                  I've got too much of a real life to sit around for hours and watch YouTube; lotsa money to be won on computer solitaire---if they'll ever tell me where to cash it in. Ace2
                  So, no response? Nobody knows? Not taking the discussion the right direction? Somebody's jimmies got rustled because of the passive-aggressive comment re: YouTube and having a life? Something else? Ace2
                  Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                  • #10
                    When painted in a corner, one canít reach the keyboard.
                    Originally posted by kscardsfan
                    Grain of salt hell, I'm taking it with a salt block from the feed store. Thats a big bunch of crap there.




                    QUOTE=mjkeat;n1101496]****ing stupid.[/QUOTE]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ace View Post

                      So, no response? Nobody knows? Not taking the discussion the right direction? Somebody's jimmies got rustled because of the passive-aggressive comment re: YouTube and having a life? Something else? Ace2
                      You're the instructor right?
                      Failure is an opportunity to learn.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ace View Post

                        So, no response? Nobody knows? Not taking the discussion the right direction? Somebody's jimmies got rustled because of the passive-aggressive comment re: YouTube and having a life? Something else? Ace2
                        I made a post once, maybe you missed, I'll repeat it just for you

                        I will show you the path, I might even walk down the path with you, at least for a while, but I will not carry you

                        There are numerous partial videos of the incident (by being lazy you missed the pertinent part of the video and the Use of Force attorneys breakdown) with accompanying news stories on Live Leak and Youtube
                        "I suppose it's tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail...." ~Abraham Maslow~

                        "Skill makes you harder to kill" ~ Unknown

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                        • #13
                          Glad you have time to live on YouTube--or sorry you have nothing better to do than live on YouTube, whichever applies.

                          So, is there audio on the video? If so, what if anything did the clerk say to the downed had guy? Ace2

                          So,
                          Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                          • #14
                            Still no reply? Let's make it simple; 'no', and that line of inquiry ends, 'yes' and the next question comes up. Ace2
                            Sometimes the term 'Idiot' is a description and not an insult.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ace View Post
                              Still no reply? Let's make it simple; 'no', and that line of inquiry ends, 'yes' and the next question comes up. Ace2
                              Ace, you donít question gods.
                              Originally posted by kscardsfan
                              Grain of salt hell, I'm taking it with a salt block from the feed store. Thats a big bunch of crap there.




                              QUOTE=mjkeat;n1101496]****ing stupid.[/QUOTE]

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