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  • Recertification Suggestions

    Mods, can we make this thread a sticky? Everyone make their suggestions about Re-certification requirements only. I'll use it for info during the process. Please, please, please, don't muddy this up or I won't have time to sort through it. Strictly, to the point, re-certification requirement suggestions only.
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    If the general public knew what was in the currently required curriculum and syllabus, we could make better suggestions for what could be reduced or eliminated in a renewal program.

    Does that current AG rule set a time requirement for each task, like "teach sight alignment...15 minutes" or "gun cleaning-30 minutes"and can those things be eliminated or reduced on a renewal?
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    • #3
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      • #4
        I would suggest simply an open-book test like I just completed for my driver's license. It forces people to review the laws without the demands of a class or exam.

        I would also lower fees, with the idea that no background check should be needed. If we were certified as "clean" upon the initial issue, and presuming any subsequent offense would have flagged us as CCH, then there should be nothing to find.

        For the same reasons, I would hope that the hassle, time, and expense of further fingerprinting would not be necessary.

        I think that these proposals, made in the effort of streamlining, and lowering the time/expense factors, can be made not only for the above "clean since we checked you out last" reason listed above, but also in view of the group's good standing as a whole since the licensing started.

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        • #5
          I say $10 for administrative fees for renewal (just like Utah), no new fingerprints (they already have them), no new passport photo (gotta go to the DMV anyway for a photo), a refresher on current law (either by book or class, prefer by book).

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          • #6
            I would say 3-4 hour reveiw classroom and then range qualification. Reveiw could be rule/law changes, sight reveiw, weapon handling ect. Range qualification same as now.

            I know your saying "But Dad". The logic is not all of us CCL people are going to the range regularly, and look at how the laws have changed since some of you got yours when it was first available.
            Last edited by doctruptwn; 01-08-2009, 23:53.
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            • #7
              I would like to see a higher round count on the range portion, like they have in Texas. IIRC, Texas shoots 50 shots for their range assessment.

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              • #8
                Also, what needs to be done or could be added to the training curriculum so that the Kansas CCL is reciprocal with more states?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by searcher View Post
                  I would like to see a higher round count on the range portion, like they have in Texas. IIRC, Texas shoots 50 shots for their range assessment.
                  To what end? The point is to reduce cost and simplify the renewal process.
                  If there is any change in the basic qualification or renewal, it would create a call for smaller targets, time limits, and a host of other restrictive opportunities to reject people who should be qualified.
                  The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
                  If your religion says suicide and murder are wrong; Aren't you doing both if you are not prepared to defend your life and the lives of others?
                  I am not a lawyer, but I have personal opinions.

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                  • #10
                    I think it should be like you renew a DL. Get a copy of the laws in the mail from the AG's office like 30 days in advance, study them, then go into the DL office, take a multiple choice test like for a DL, get a new photo taken, pay no more than for a DL renewal, get the temporary license printout, and have the renewal license sent out in the mail just like a new DL.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Goodtime Charlie View Post
                      I think it should be like you renew a DL. Get a copy of the laws in the mail from the AG's office like 30 days in advance, study them, then go into the DL office, take a multiple choice test like for a DL, get a new photo taken, pay no more than for a DL renewal, get the temporary license printout, and have the renewal license sent out in the mail just like a new DL.
                      DL renewals are no longer on-site tests. They are open book. They send you the test and the book, you do it at home, and bring it in for grading. I just did mine this week.

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                      • #12
                        Something simple and current!! I and many others don't want to pay and drive long distances especially out here in western Kansas. I think a short test on current regulations would be sufficient.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MartyG View Post
                          DL renewals are no longer on-site tests. They are open book. They send you the test and the book, you do it at home, and bring it in for grading. I just did mine this week.
                          I second this notion. It should be as similar (and as inexpensive) as renewing a driver's license.

                          I don't think there's a need for range time for CCH requalification, any more than there's a need for a driver's exam at every DL renewal.
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                          • #14
                            My cdl costs $65.00 to renew, the guy took the paper never even looked at it, took the $$ & sent me to the next station. Simple enough, just about the $$ here in Kansas.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jim Macklin View Post
                              To what end? The point is to reduce cost and simplify the renewal process.
                              If there is any change in the basic qualification or renewal, it would create a call for smaller targets, time limits, and a host of other restrictive opportunities to reject people who should be qualified.

                              JMO, but it would be a show of the improvement of the skills of the individual who is renewing the license. If we have to change it in the basic, then do so.

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